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Final Opinion On Inherent Goodness .

Now that I have finished the novel I still believe that people are neither inherently good or inherently bad . It all comes with influence . And I'm sticking to that opinion .

Some of the boys in the novel were good because they young . They hadn't been influenced by anyone yet . They hadn't lived long enough . Jack and Roger weren't destined to be evil . The saying , "Everything happens for a reason ," comes into play here . They became evil because they landed on the island . They were snobby before , but not completely evil . They were mean and eventually , I think , it would have gotten worse with age .

I believe Piggy was meant to be good . I think his asthma comes into play . He can't really do anything because of his asthma . In the book he's always talking about his aunt so I think that he really cares about his family and he wouldn't do anything to make them mad at him .

I believe I am half and half because of influence . I'm half good because of my best friends and my family . They're the reason why I do good in school and I don't get in trouble all the time . I'm half bad because of my friends that I hang around . I like to hang around some trouble makers that I call my friends because they're not scared to do anything . They don't care what people think either . So I have enough good in me not to be fully bad .

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I think that there is no such thing as inherent goodness. You evolve as a person. People change into beings that they were not originally. It is a natural occurrence. Since I do not believe in inherent goodness, I do not think the boys from the novel were inherently good. Many of the boys changed from civilized individuals into savage hunters. They were not inherently good. Only a few of them on the island continued to maintain some of their sanity. It was a challenge that they struggled with throughout the novel. I believe that Jack was meant to be evil, but maybe not Roger. Jack seemed to always be very power hungry, which will normally get to people. It seems that no matter where he was, he would have ended up turning into what he became on the island. However, Roger does not strike me as that. It seems that he evolove into the murderer that he was in the novel. I do think that it was his environment that caused him to make that change. Piggy is a true rule follower. He was always meant to be good, in my eyes. He didn't do things that he thought he shouldn't. He also tryed to get others to do the same. He is one of the few exceptions to staying good. I am definitely not an example of inherent goodness. I have changed my personality a couple of times in my life based on personal experience. There have been time when I was the nicest person to everyone, and were times in my life when I did not get along with anyone. The phrase "inherent goodness" to me is an inaccurate term. It is not presented in most people. It is an ideal image of humans.

Goood

I still to this day beleive that people are born with a bad heart. Im not saying everybody is born to kill but everyone is born with a bad heart. But once you learn the meaning of right and wrong you change. You can change for the good or for the bad. The boys in the novel were born with bad hearts but not born as killers. There is huge difference. Lots of people change for the good and turn their heart good and start to do good. But some people unfortunately stay bad and do bad things. Jack and Roger were not born to be evil. But through the situations they were put and the roles they took on, they formed a mean heart and started to do bad things. I highly doubt they were evil their whole life. But they turned out bad. Everyone has a choice and they made the wrong one. I also beleive Piggy has bad thoughts like everyone else. Piggy is a great person and corrects those thoughts with good actions. Im not saying he was born to be good but he has been good through out his life. Through good decisions. I think everyone is born bad but not evil. Its your own choice wheather you stay that way. You arent forced to do stupid things no matter what your doing. I was born bad like everyone else but i have made good decisions and tryed my best to do good. This was a great novel. And provided many good topics to discuss.

Goodness

Are People Inherently good? Well Lets see it depends on who it is and around what thing they are raised in. Everyone is born good no one can be bad because they dont know what bad things are. The things that make them bad may be the way they are raised and the enviroment that they are rasied. People influence them to change so thats how people are introduced to the bad side of the world. Also by the people who they are around because they get influenced too. Another thing is that people turn bad because other people do it and they thing its cool and if you dont do it your a whimp. Thats what some of them take it as. SO people dont want to be called whimps so they do. I think that if it wasnt for the plane crash roger and Jack would be good students because they went to a nun school. Well it doesnt mean that everyone who goes to a church school is good but the majority is. They where never meant to be bad, but the fact that there is no teachers or parents stops it from not happening. Nobody could tell them what not to do so they would never learn from their mistakes. THey got over obessed with hunting and they were not just doing it for the meat they where doing it for fun. So they wanted to settle everything with killing. so later in their ;lives they will settle evrything with killing. Piggy was always to meant to be good because just by the way he is. Because everyone picks on him but he dont care he just ignores it his most likly the one to succed in life

inherently good

I think that nobody is born to be good. Not everybody is inherently good either. The only people that are inherently good are people that have parents that care and teach them to be good. For example Oprah was not born good. She just cared about her life and turned into a good person. I do not think that the boys in the novel were inherently good. I think this because nobody is inherently good. I think that Ralph and piggy where good people but not born to be good. If it was not for Jack and his obssession for hunting then nobody would have been killed. I do not think that piggy was ment to be good either. I think that Piggy just cared about what he did and understood the consequences of the outcome. So nobody is meant to be good. I do not think that I am inherently good either. Again, nobody is inherently good. I think that if people care about what they turn out to be later in thier life then they will be a good person. I do care about what I turn out to be later on in my life. So I think that I will turn out to be a somewhat good person. But nobody is going to be born into a good person. I do not think that Roger and Jack was destined to be evil. I think that the lust for killing was overwhelming to them. They were not always meant to be evil. Nobody is born into being evil or good. I think that there is no such thing as inherent goodness. Just people who care and make the right choices decide whether or not they will be a good person or not. So in the end it is you who makes the choice whethere or not to be good of bad.

Inherent Goodness Final.

Again, people are not inherently good or bad. We're not born good nor bad. It's something that you learn whether you know it or not. It could also be through an event you experienced.

In the novel, the boys were not inherently good. They killed because, the obvious reason, they had to survive. They needed to kill in order to get meat. When they killed Simon that was an accident. They were so into the chant. Further more, before they were on the island there was a war(World War II) going on where they lived. So that could've impacted their decisions.

Jack and Rodger are not destined to be evil. If they had never landed on the island they would not be evil. They wouldn't have anyone to really kill, because the plane wouldn't have crashed and they would have evacuated safely.

I think Piggy is good because his auntie raised him right, which means he learned right from wrong. This goes back to my point that goodness is learned.

I am not inherently good. I know this, because I was taught right from wrong when I was younger. I have also seen people do bad things and I knew the consequences, so that processed through my brain that I don't want to do those things.

The Lord of the Flies was about a plane crash and kids were traped on an island. And they have to figure out how to live. And they have to face many challanges. I don't think that people are just born good, I think that they can change later on though out their life time. I don't think that Jack and Roger were destined to be evil because if they weren't on that island they most likey never would have been in a situation where he'd want to kill someone or something. And if he wasn't traped on that island then he never would have had to kill animals then he never would have wanted to hunt people also. I think Piggy was ment to be good because you have to be real good to stay nice with everyone and try to keep peace with all the kids. Because if he went thougout the story staying good and following rules and wanting peace then he had to of been born good. I think i was born good because everyone is born good, and the way that you live your life depends on weather or not you are a good or bad when you get older. I also think that you can turn things around if you were a bad kid growing up you can turn good later on in life. As you can also be good then turn into a bad person.

Inherently Good 3

After reading the novel my oppinion still stands the same about people being neither inherently good nor inherently bad. Depending on your life you can be raised in a bad situation and turn out good, you can also be raised in a good situation and turn out bad. I think that there were on three boys in the novel that were inherently good. The boys that were inherently good were Simon, Ralph, and Piggy. They were always good because they didn't want to see people get hurt Ralph and Piggy wanted Jack and his hunters to stop because they were taking hunting to seriously. Simon wanted the group to stay as one and stop fighting before bad things happened to them, this was after he had a talk with the Lord of the Flies. I think that if Jack and Roger had never landed on the Island that they would have never turned evil. By Jack and Roger landing on the Island and becoming the hunters and Jack not having power because the group chose Ralph as the leader and they became evil. Jack and Roger became blood thisty and power thirsty. They wanted to have total power over everyone on the Island and that they were willing to hunt and kill everybody that did not agree with them. I think that Piggy was always ment to be good. While he was alive on the Island he wanted peace and tried to keep it among the boys. Piggy would always get the boys to listen to Ralph and he want the boys to treat each other right and not fight and hunt each other. He thought that it was wrong for the boys to fight over power, food, and who was better. I dont think I am inherently good or inherently bad. I was good then I had some family problems and I took my anger out by doing things which turned me bad. Now I have changed back to good because I have gotten over things.

Final Opinion: Inherent Goodness

In The Lord of the Flies a group of innocent boys turn into a group of savages. I do not think people are inherently good or bad. I think the situation affects how you turn out. You are the one who makes the decision wether you are good or bad. The boys in the novel were not inherently good, or inherently bad. When they arrived on the island each of the boys were good. They wouldn't kill a pig, much less another human. The circumstances of being on the island is what turned most of the boys bad. I do not think Jack or Roger were always meant to be bad. If they hadn't landed on the island i don't think either of them would be killers. When they were on the island and having to take care of themselves and wanting power turned them bad. I think that Piggy wasn't necessarily meant to be good. If he stayed on the island for a long time he might have slid towards being bad. I think I may be born good, but have the potential to be bad. I am not inherently good, if the situation presents it, I think I could turn bad. If I was in the situation the boys were, after a while I could turn bad. It isn't set in stone that I am good, everyone can change. I think it may take more for me to turn bad, but it could happen. I believe that everyone is good at some point. Certain people may turn bad quicker than others, but no one is inherently bad or good. I think where you are and who you're with affects how you turn out. Ultimatley you make the final decision.

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i think that the boys in the novel are inherently good. i think that everyone is. no one can be born just plain evil. something has to happen for you to get that mad or evil. Jack and Roger weren't evil before they were on the island. they went insane once that it came to there mind that they were stuck on that island with a bunch of boys. and Piggy, yes he was good. he could have just as easily turned evil like Jack and Roger. but he didn't. so, i think that he was stronger mentally than Jack and Roger were. some people are just sane, they know how to deal with pain, anger, and scaredness better than others do. Yes, people can be rude, mean, and scary but i don't think that they can be born that way, i mean really. it takes time to become evil, and to tell you the truth, i think that no one can be straight up, plain evil. they have to have some good in them, even if it's just like a little bit. everyone has good in them. (:

INHERENTLY GOOD?!

Now that i have finished the book i am positively sure that NO body can be inherently good! Why?? Jack was always a stubborn stuck up little brat to start with but the killing and the blood, Piggy was nice because that is his personality and he can change but decides not to. Everybody in the novel were good to start with but the killing the blood and the obsession for power is why they are evil with no heart and acting MEAN to the TRIBE!! I am good and bad because its is the situation that makes you react because for example i am nice and i like to be a nice person but when people are mean and grumpy to me i just FLIP OFF and become a bad person!! That is not a really good scene but everyone has a moment in life where the BAD COMES OUT!!!

People are inherently good.

Inherent goodness is something everyone is born with. when you are born you are born good with good intention. as you grow older and develop you go through differnt experiences and according to the experience and how you reacted to it will determine if you stay good or become evil the boys in the novel were all inherently good. not just because the laws of society stopped them but because while jack had the chance to kill the pig when they first arrived he did not because the nature of his good heart didn't allow him. slowly jack and others changed for many reasons like hunting, lust for blood, fear and they were hungry. jack and roger would never have become evil because they wouldnt be under the circumstances they were under in a society. In a society the did not have to hunt and kill for food. everything they had in a society was handed to them. jack wouldnt have worn a painted mask on his face that influenced the savage within him to come out. piggy was always ment to be good. piggy was ment to be good because even in his society wheere he came from he was bullied and picked on but he never changed. when piggy arrived on the island he was put down and he was used to his but he had a good heart and did not change. i am inherently good because i could kill a animal for the enjoyment of it. I can't find myself to do something that i know i should not do for example even to steal a piece of candy. Everyone is differnt but everyone started off the same. They came into this world good with no hurtful intentions and gradually get worse or still stay what you could label as good. This change is because the events that happened in their life. being inherently good is not genetic everyone is differnt but the way you are raised influences how you end up.often people think someone was born bad but that is wrong.everyone is born good.

Final Blog

The boys in the novel are not good. No matter who it was in a way none of them were good. Ralph had his days were he was good and Jack everyday knew what he was becoming and knew what he was doing with his hunters. The boys in this novel became evil because they had to. It was either eat or be on your own. I don't think no one really wants to be by themselves on a island with no one to help them. The novel did potray the goodness and the evil of all the children. In the novel I don't think that if they didn't land on the island then they wouldn't have been been evil. They might have stayed innocent little 12 year old boys. You only become evil unless you are under certain circumstances. They had to become what they were for the sake of themselves. But killing Piggy and Simon wasn't such a good idea. Roger was the one that killed Piggy and he did it because he was evil at heart when he was on the island. If he was at home he would have stayed the way he was and he wouldn't have killed Piggy. In my opinion I think he wasn't. He was picked on and was just like the outcast just like Simon. He should have killed and been the savage with the hunters to prove himself to the others. Instead he was a good person and reminded himself of the rules every day he was on the island. He stuck with Ralph no matter what happend with him and Jack. He didn't want their to be conflict between them but there was anyways. To be honest I don't think that I am. When I was smaller I was bad and it just sort of carried over now that I'm 15. I do have good traits and I do have a good heart I know what good and what isn't but it's just hard to be a teenager and still be good. You're tempted with a lot of things in school and outside of school. Everyone is going to say that are good but in truth everyone has a bad traits and actions. The novel was really good and it was just a good novel. Reading and watching a bunch of 6-12 year olds hunt, kill, and try to get a long just reminds me of what my house used to be like when I was younger. Besides all the killing and torture of everyone in my house.

Lord of the Flies Final

Well the time has come, at last our class has officially finished reading the novel, Lord of the Flies. It was a long experience and I speak for everyone when I say, "Thank goodness we're done." The book was very slow in the beginning and middle of the book. When you got to the last four or five chapters of the book it really began to become exciting and very interesting to read. So my final opinion of inherent goodness of man is that, Some people were born into a warm loving family and others were born into a life no person should ever go through.



The boys in the novel were inherently good but when it came to making decisions that would ultimately save or end their lives, they didn't know what to do and became lost in themselves, and became savages and it seemed the only one to keep his head on was Ralph. Jack became crazy in hunting for meat and the little children agreed with them. So kids are inherently good, but when they get put into a life threatening situation they go crazy. Kids are not to be put in that kind of experience. It's not adequate for their brains to go through that.



Jack and Roger were not destined for evil. They were just children and didn't know what they were doing. They got a blood lust and as a shark does. They went crazy and destroyed almost everything in their path. That includes themselves. They killed Simon and Piggy. So Jack and Roger were not destined for evil. But putting them together made them evil.


Piggy was meant to be good. He was born good and stayed good until his most unfortunate death. He was made fun fun of because of his asthma, weight, and of his wearing of spectacles. Still he stayed optimistic and became good even in the worst of times.


I think that I am Inherently good, even though I was born into a family and raised without my mother and my father having to deal with four boys. I stayed good and helped him by doing chores.
So people are inherently good.

Inherent Goodness

Now that I have finish The Lord Of The Flies I still think that people aren't truly, inherently good. Like in the novel, the boys weren't inherently good. They may have been good when they first got to the island but when they left, none of them were good. They all changed somewhat throughout the story. Like Jack and Roger, all they wanted to do was kill. They came to the island as good school boys. They left blood thirsty savages. They weren't destined to be evil, they brought it upon themselves. They spent all the time hunting and ended up killing two boys. They would never hace become this evil if they had not landed on the island. They would have carried out normals lives, and never would have known what it's like to be stuck on an island. As for Piggy he was mostly good. He was one of the only boys on the island that was good. He was innocent. Although he wasn't always good, he was better than most of the kids on the island. He was never one to hunt, or kill. He was for the most part good. I'd have to say that I am not truly inherently good. Although I'm not evil I am not truly good. I've made mistakes and haven't always been the best. No one is really good. No one is and stays inherently good. They all change and do bad things once in a while. People change for the worse some times. No matter how good or bad of a situation/life you are born into, doesn't mean you can't change your future and make it what you want it to be.

I think that the boys in the Novel Lord of the Flies where born inherently good. Every baby is born good but what decides how they are going to be for the rest of their lives are the experiences that they go through in there lives. Jack and Roger where not destined to be evil but because of the situation that they found them selves in they did turn evil. Jack was lead boy at their school lead choir kid he was supposed to be a role model for all the other choir members he just became obsessed with hunting because once he got a taste for it he couldn't stop. He also became drunk with power he didn't agree with Ralph's leadership he thought that his way of fun and hunting was the best way. Anybody but under that kind of stress and pressure would crack and become crazy savages just like Jack and Roger. Roger was under stress he missed his parents and the order of civilization. So because of that he did bad things in hope that somebody would tell him that what he was doing something wrong. Piggy was meant to be good just like everybody else that was on the island. But when he was under pressure instead of going crazy and becoming a savage he became obsessed with the rules and order he started wanting more and more order. Which is not a bad thing because the rules were the only thing they had left. I think I am inherently good just like everybody else if was in a situation like the boys in Lord of the Flies then I don't know what would happen.

Are people inherently good?

People are inherently good in my opinion. People have the ability to be evil, but only when they need or want to be. Things can be so bad that it can change a persons views or opinions about them. With that, they change their whole attitudes, that doesn't mean their whole mind-set is different.

For example when Simon was murdered. That was evil. But that's what Jack thought was necessary at the time. Simon was an inherently good person, while Jack was seen to be evil, or mean, but at heart he is still a young boy just as Simon was. They both had different views on life and the way things worked but at heart they both thought and KNEW what was really the right thing to do in every situation. Whether or not they CHOSE to do that, was up to them.

Another example is when Rodger killed Piggy. Ralph KNEW what was right, but he CHOSE not to do so. This doesn't mean Rodger is inherently evil either, it means he makes poor decisions. Yes, killing someone is the ultimate status symbol for being evil. But, they CHOSE to do so. So its not really about being born evil its about making the right or wrong choices.

So overall its a self conscience choice you make as to what you do. You can't be born to be evil. When the young boys came or crashed on the island they hadn't been exposed to such measures, so they weren't born that way. Therefore it wasn't inherent. Choices got them where they are and to what they are doing now. If a person makes the decision to change and be a better or worse person, and really try hard enough then that's what they will get out of it. You get what you put into life.

Are people inherently good?

Are people inherently good? Well, the side that I choose is people can be inherently good. They can be good when they want to be but under a lot of influence and peer pressure we can become bad. When you're born you're born with good intentions and you don't know what right from wrong is. As you grow up you start to learn what right and wrong is. You can develope emotions and actions once you get old enough to finally notice and realize what they actually are. An example from the story would be when Simon was killed. In general he was just a good person throughout the whole story. Even though he was murdered he didn't deserve it in any way. All caught up in the rain dance that they were doing but it's partially everyone's fault for his death. They could have stopped but they didn't. That's when you realy know that all innocence of the children; even the littleuns is gone completely. Simon was good because he helped the littleuns and took care of them and he helped them with whatever they needed. Another example is Piggy and his character. What he depicts in the story is really just order and how he follows everything and all the rules that Ralph makes. Piggy makes sure that there is order and out of his kindness he tries to keep everything in order and keep everything working properly. That's just because even though to be born good to be a genuine good person you have to be somewhat like Simon and Piggy. If you choose to be bad than that's just your choice. I think that as you grow older that your sense fo right from wrong is totally different than it was when you were smaller. An example from my life would just be the same. When I was younger I was a really bad kid and I wanted everything that my sister had. I wasn't good at all until I grew out of it and grew up that I had to learn from past experinces that I was bad and couldn't get everything that I wanted. But now that I'm older and a lot more understanding I know how to act and what to do, and I know what right from wrong is. People with bad influences and just not good people arould them have a tendency to turn out that way.

Are We Who We Think We Are.?

"There are things that you go through in life to show you the brighter side of things, but its your choice on how you go through those thing". The way I see it is that it doesn't matter what kind of situation you are born into or brought through you still have the choice to make your life go the way you want it to. The story LOTF is showing how just some ordinary good kid change over a period of time because they don't have civilization. To me it seem that everybody has a chance to be a good person but everyone doesn't make the choice that they are going to do right.

In the story they are all chanting going the rain dance are not worrying about anything else but as soon as the see something or someone they attack them. Not knowing that it was Simon, you wouldn't believe that they would kill there own friend but they did. They didn't really realized that " Yeah we just killed our own friend but blamed him not taking the responsibly to say we were not playing attention and just killed him.

They was another event that happen when Piggy was trying to get the boys to understand that they need to get on the same page. They need to work together instead of working against one another, but Roger disagreed with Piggy & what he was saying so he started dropping rock then a big rock hit Piggy on the head. Causing him to fall and bust his head, and dead. Piggy had the crouch in his hand when he fell so as he fell the crouch fell and shattered causing the little civilization that they had to be shattered.

My cousin was brought up in a bad home her mother was never home & when she was all she did was argue. She was raped when she was 13 by her daddy's bother, and had a baby at 17. But through all of the trails she went through she is attention Saint Augustine's College, Is a buttercup cheerleader, & a great mother the Sha'yah. So even though she was brought up in a bad home and went through bad situation she still came out being a great person.

"No weapon formed against you shall prosper no it want work, god will do what he said he will do".

Inheritance (hmmmmmmmmmmm)

No, people are not inherently good or bad. They change depending on how they grow up. What happens to them and what experiences they go through. You can choose to be good or bad. Its not something that your automatically born with. In life you will change between good and bad multiple times. Your lust for evil will clash with your conscience telling you to do good.

In the beginning of the novel Ralph is nice and good. He helps everyone and is happy. He changes through out the story though. He is still mostly nice but you see times where he is mean. Where he yells at people and hurts people. Also Jack didn't start out as evil as he was. He was just a regular kid in the beginning. He changed once he started hunting though. He loved the adrenaline rush he got from killing. He started acting more wild and savage. After a while he became alright with killing human beings.

When my sister and me were younger we hated each other. We were always ready to choke one another. We got in so many fights and caused quite a few uproars. Me and her were very stub urn and thought the other Special treatment. We have grown up now and are best friends. We hang out together and have a lot of fun. We learned not to fight and changed our attitudes. Me and her have changed a lot from back then.

These examples show that people can change. We are not born good or bad. We are born normal on a medium and change from there. We could decide that living a life of badness is funner or you could find helping people funner. Its more your decision and how you live life. Whatever makes you happy.

Are people good or evil??

I don't think that people are inherently good or inherently evil. People change and become either good or bad depending on their individual lives. Some people that start out as good because they are brought up in a good family setting can turn evil because people in their life expect them to be good and acheive high goals and sooner or later they will get upset due to the pressure that is put on they and they could act out in rages of evil. Some people that start out bad because they are brought up in a horrible home life can turn good because they want to prove their family wrong and acheive something that their family never could. In the book the boys all start out as good. When Jack is assigned as the head hunter and makes his mask he gets to caught up in hunting and no longer sees the wrong in it. That's why he doesn't feel remosre in of the killings of Simon and Piggy. Jack is blood thirsty and he wants to do nothing but kill people and things or anything that has a breath. In the book the boys do start out as good. The only boys that stay good through out the novel is Ralph and Piggy. They see that there is evil in the group and they want to change them and keep the others from truning evil but it is to late. Ralph and Piggy try to stop Jack from killing Piggy but he isn't strong enough. When there are people that are brought up in bad home lives grow up some try and become good but others give up trying and just take their anger out on everybody and turn evil. If someone is brought up in an abusive home and once they are grown up they try and make something of themselves and prove to others that they are better than their family. If someone is brought up in a very well off family and they have high standers their family soon the pressure will get to them and they cant take it anymore and then they act out in rages of anger and become evil.

Good, You Feel Me!

I stated once that I beleive people arent born bad, and I still beleive that to a degree. I now beleive that people are born bad but not evil. Theres a difference. You see evil is bad thoughts and bad actions, you hert people for the fun of it. Bad just means your unsaved and dont know God yet. Everyone is born a sinner but that person can change by talking to god and asking him to save you. Once that happens you will try to do better in everything you do. So yes, people are born bad but not evil. Even when people are doing good and doing good things that same person can change from good to bad multiple times. A good example of this in our novel is when the kids arrive at the island most of the kids are good but in the end most of them turn evil and murderers. Alot of celebrities are born in bad and dangerous situations and families but make the choice to change and be different. Nobody can stay good their whole life but they can sure try and thats what many people do.

Are People Inherently Good? : Number 2

I do not believe that people are born good or bad. I believe that you can be born into good and bad situations but just because you are born into a bad situation doesn't mean that you cannot turn yourself into something that is good.

A reason from the novel that makes me believe that people can be born into bad situations but turn good and vice versa is how they came to the island innocent but then as the story went on they became more and more evil and eventually killed Simon. Even though some say that is was Simon's own fault and he committed indirect suicide while others say that it was everyone who killed him.

Another example is how Roger killed Piggy. Roger killed Piggy because Piggy was trying to make everyone civilized and since Roger did not want that. He killed Piggy by making a huge rock fall on Piggy. When Piggy was killed he had the conch, it was shattered and civilization had vanished. This just shows how people can start out good and turn into bad people.

An example in the real world would be Oprah Winfrey. She was born into a horrible life, she was born into poverty, raped at 9, sexually abused by her mom's boyfriend and her uncle and had a baby at fourteen. And know she is very successful with her show and at one point she was the only African American billionaire in the world.

Are people inherently good?

I think that people are inherently good. If their parents are good people and have good morals then that is the way thier kid will be. The only way kids are inherently good is if their parents teach them to be good. If their parents do not teach them and they do not care then the child will not be good. One person that is inherently good from the novel "Lord of the Flies" is Piggy. I think that piggy is inherently good because of the way he does not like fighting. Jack is not a good person and piggy is the opposite of Jack. Piggy does not like to argue or fight or anything so he is one of the few people on the island that is good. Another person from the novel that is inherently good is Ralph. He was mainly good at the begining of the novel. He changed throught the story but he was mainly good but he did change and became bad towards the end of the novel. In the begining of the story he was trying to help out everybody else but when they all split up he changed. I think that one person from a real life situation is Oprah. She was born in a bad situation and turned into one of the best person in the world. She was turned into a very nice person and has done a lot for people that have nothing. I think that she is one of the very few people in the world that is inherently good.

Are people inherently good??

By definition inherently means existing in someone or something as a perament or inseparable element, ability, or attitude. Good means morally excellent. So the question is, are people morally excellent from birth until death? My answer at an earlier time was yes, but with a better understanding of the question, I do not think my previous acusation was accurate. At the beginning of the novel, Jack seemed like a normal kid. After his first killing, however, he recieved a behemothic adrenaline rush. Soon he became even more power hungry and savage than he was at the openning of the story. It even came to the point that killing each other did not bother him. Roger is another good example of my opinion. At first, he was a quiet child. Then he was kind of like Jack's partner in crime. One of my friend was a very bad kid. But after losing the only thing he cared about, he changed. He got good grades, got along with people, and just got really nice. He changed, instead of staying like he was.

Born good?

People are not born inherently good. I think that one is good because of the people and things in their surroundings. When someone has a good family with them, they will probably end up being good people. If someone has a bad family, they will more than likely turn out to be bad. Sometimes it's not really who you have around you that makes you a bad person, but things you do along that way that trigger that bad side of you. Being good or bad is not something you are born with, it's something you choose to be.

For instance, Jack, from the book The Lord of the Flies, was a good kid at the beginning of the story. We don't know if he had good parents or a good family, just that he was kind of well behaved. In the story, when he was put in charge of hunting, he changed. Something inside him changed, that revealed his bad side. Once he wore the mask, he would become a savage. That mask changed him from the good kid he was into a very savage person. He killed the pig with no problem at all and was just plain evil with all the other little kids.

Another example from the book is Ralph. Although, he stayed good most of the novel, you can see places where he was evil. In the beginning of the story, Ralph was a very happy, helpful boy. He helped out all of the kids. He didn't fight when Jack would want to start something with him or anything like that. But, as the story went along, you can start to see how Ralph is changing. He is no longer happy and he yells at the kids. He becomes bossy and nobody likes him anymore. Ralph starts to yell and even hurt some of the kids in the novel. In this example, Ralph didn't decide to be good or bad, but everything around him was what made him act the way he did.

When I was little I had a neighbor who I would always play with. She was very wealthy and pretty. Her parents would give her anything she wanted. But as we grew up, she started to change. She got into bad habits and started hanging out with bad people. Even though she had a good family, a good life, she wasn't happy. Her parents would give her things but never time and love. She chose to be a bad person to seek attention. Her plan worked. Her parents started paying more attention to her and became more involved in her life. She went from a good kid to a bad kid to, once again, a good kid.

As you can see, you aren't born inherently good or evil. It's things and people in your life that make you who you are. It's a choice you can make to define who you will be in life.

INHERENTLY GOOD??!?!

NO.......some people have parents that are extremely nice but that does not mean that u are BORN nice. It can influence on how you act or can become nice but every body will have a moment of BEING MEAN AND GRUMPY. In the story like Ralph came nice but then he called "PIGGY" fatty.

and when they killed Simon.... he took some blame.

I can be nice like when taking care of children but when they act bad i feel like CHOCKING THEM. From nice to BAD i go and i am nice because i want to not because they make me be nice .

People are nice because they want to they choose to be nice

EVil Or BaD

Everyone is born good no one can be bad because they dont know what bad things are. The things that make them bad may be the way they are raised and the enviroment that they are rasied. People influence them to change so thats how people are introduced to the bad side of the world. Also by the people who they are around because they get influenced too. Another thing is that people turn bad because other people do it and they thing its cool and if you dont do it your a whimp. Thats what some of them take it as. SO people dont want to be called whimps so they do. There was real live story about a kid that had just moved to a new city and his first day at his new school he meet some friends. It turns out that they arent very good friends. So one day after school he meets them at one og the boys house. The new kid doesnt know anything of what they do. So they take him out on the streets and they see a howbow so they tell him to shoot at him. He doesnt want to do it but people dint want to see him as whimp so he does it. Later on They beat up a guy to death with a baseball bat. Well the new kid doesnt know who his dad is so it turns out that they guy the beat to death is his dad. They get charges and are in prison for 30 Years. From lored of the flies Jack is bad boy and the other boys want to be like him so they start to be bad like him by killing the pig and in chapter 12 they all turn down on Ralph to kill him so they all bad and they want to put his head on a stick like the pig. Another example is about people staying good like PIggy he is nice boy but the other boys are mean to him but he still ingnores them and stays good. These are people that stay good and dont get influenced.

Inherently Good Or Inherently Bad ?

I believe people are neither inherently good or inherently bad because it all comes with influence . People tend to act like the people they hang around . They learn to act like that .

Example 1 : When they got on the island . They had never killed or even thought of killing until they learned they had to survive that way . Jack was crazed after he killed for the first time and then his group slowly became crazed along with him .

Example 2 : Sometimes it's not always bad . Like Ralph ; the island influenced him to use the skills he learned growing up . He had to know how to take care of himself without adults . He had to depend on his knowledge to survive without going crazy and killing .

My own example is my sister . She was alright growing up . I believe I was better , but she was good enough . As she went through elementary school she became a brat and began acting like her friends . Her friends influenced her to act the way she did .

I think that people can be born either good or bad but they can be the opposite when they get older. They could of been a bad kid but got thier life turned around. Or they could have been good and did really good in school but when they get older they could turn really bad. One example of people being born good and turing bad is everyone killed Simon. They didn't have to kill him. They were reanacting the hunt and Simon came stumbling out of the woods and they got caught into it and killed him. And Roger was a good guy at the beginning but towards the end of the book he stole Piggy's glasses and then killed him. Roger killed Piggy because he wanted to be civil with everyone but he didn't want to, he wanted to be in charge. Another person that was born good and then turned bad later on in thier life was Hittler. When he grew up he killed a lot of people because they were Jews and he didn't like them.

Inherent Goodness

I do not think that people are inherently good or bad. I think that the reasons people are good or bad depend on the situation they are in. Many people begin out good, but as time passes they can get more and more evil. Lord of the Flies proves that you are not necessarily born a certain way because the characters changed throught the span of the novel. In the beginning Jack was not able to hunt and kill just a little pig. Twords the end of the novel he took part in beating Simon to death, and not have remorse for it. He changed because of the enviornment and living situations. He had to hunt to survive and it made him bad, he wasn't always a bad person. Also in Lord of the Flies Roger is a good example as well. In the beginning he was really good, calm, and quiet. As the novel progressed he got worse and worse. Twords the end of the novel he was the sole person that killed piggy. He pulled the lever that dropped the rock that killed piggy, alone. The enviornmental factors played a role in his becoming bad, he wasn't born that way. In the real world a good example would be Adolf Hitler. He was born into a good family who tried to teach their kids right from wrong. When he got out on his own into the world he began to turn bad. The people he was with could have influenced him to turn into the bad person he was. He wasn't born evil, he was a good child.

People are not born inherently good because children do what they learn to do. That is kind of the whole point of parenting so that you teach your children the difference between good and bad. When a child is born they don't know anything they are a clean slate. Even if someone is born into a good environment and their parents teach them the difference between right and wrong and raise them to be good they could still end up bad.
The kids in the book where in a military school and obliviously had discipline and structure they where raised to be good. Jack went crazy and did a lot of bad stuff and he started going crazy and killing pigs. Jack ended up not caring about being civilized he wasn't the only one they were all responsible for the death of Simon because they beat him to death.
All of the boys in Lord of the Flies ended up turning into savages and painting their faces and dancing around like uncivilized people. Roger killed piggy he was part of the school group when they got to the island he was also civilized and wanted to order but he went savage too. Jack was part of the boys choir he was actually the leader of them but he still went bad.

inherently good? (:

the side i pick is that people are born good, but they can change to evil, or not so good. one reason from the novel is that the boys, before that they crashed on that island, they were good, but the island turned them evil. another reason is that people can change, people do change, a lot. no one can stay the same all there life. everyone can be anyway, like evil or not. we're all still human. you can't just turn evil, something has to help or make you turn evil. something has to happen for you to get that mad, or angry. people are born good, but has the choice to turn evil or not.

People are inherently good.

People are born good. No one is born bad. People either change to be bad later in life or stay good due to the events that occur to them. If something horrible or traumatic happens to them they could turn bad or stay good. In the story Jack was a good kid when they first got there and slowly he became bad. Many things influenced this like he started wearing a mask, wanted control, and started killing pigs. Piggy was good and he stayed good even though everyone gave him a really hard time. In batman his parents were murderd and that motivated him to stop crime and become a super hero. Ralph was good when they arrived and he remained good as well. Roger was good and he became real bad. Most of the kids on the island were good and they became bad when they folowed jack. Super man was born good and even though he too was differnt he chose to stay good. No one is born bad because they arent born knowing what bad things are. When people have gone through experiences and have had others give them bad influences or because they need money/food they can become bad.

Inherent Goodness.

I believe that people are not inherently good or bad, because it is something that comes through influence. It's something you learn from.

For example, in the novel, when they got on on the island they had to kill in order to survive. If they didn't have to survive then they wouldn't have the need kill.

Another example is, when Simon dies. The tribe was so into their chanting they didn't mean to kill him.

In a real life example, as I said before to be good or bad it has to be learned. Babies/children they do things bad and may not know it or on accident. Then usually the parents correct them and if they continue to do it then they'll keep being corrected. Eventually they realize it's wrong and they stop doing whatever that is wrong.

Inherently Good

People are not always born inherently good. Some people might, but most people are not. Even if they are born good they will not stay good. People change, and make mistakes. No one is truely and inherently born good and stays good. Like in the novel the Lord Of The Flies they came to the island mostly good, but they changed. None of them are innocent and purely good now. They are killers, they became blood thirsty. They killed the beast, then Simon, then Piggy. They are not inherently good. Also they also have no interest in being good anymore. They are savages. They boys are all wild and crazy. The boys might have been good before they came, but now they are not good. No one is truely good. People can be born into bad situations and change to be good, and they can be born into good situations and turn bad. No one will stay good forever, people make bad decisions. Much like Hilter, or Oprah. Hilter was born into a good family and a good situation and turned bad. While Oprah was born into a bad situation and turned good. They both made the decision to be what they wanted to become. No one will stay good. Being born good is one thing, but staying good forever is another. People tend to make bad decisions and do things without thinking of the consequences. We tend to do what we want when we want. Whether it is a good decision, or a bad one. People make mistakes and don't stay good forever.